The next is the transcript of the interview with Sen. Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, that aired on “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” on Oct. 26, 2025.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham. He joins us from Seneca, South Carolina. Welcome again to Face The Nation. Senator–
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: On Friday, Protection Secretary Hegseth ordered the deployment of the Navy’s most superior plane provider, the Gerald Ford, to Latin America. President Trump was requested if he deliberate to ask Congress for a declaration of warfare. Take a pay attention.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I do not suppose we will essentially ask for a declaration of warfare. I feel we’re simply going to kill folks which are bringing medicine into our nation, OK. We will kill them. You understand, they are going to be, like, lifeless.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: You do not want an plane provider to hit drug boats are land strikes deliberate?
SEN. GRAHAM: Yeah, I feel that is an actual risk. I feel President Trump’s decided that Maduro, the chief of Venezuela, is an indicted drug, drug trafficker, that it is time for him to go, that Venezuela and Colombia have been protected havens for narco-terrorists for too lengthy, and President Trump informed me yesterday that he plans to transient members of Congress when he will get again from Asia about future potential army operations in opposition to Venezuela and Colombia. So there will probably be a congressional briefing a few potential increasing from the ocean to the land. I help that concept, however I feel he has all of the authority he wants. Senator Gallego, on one other community, accused President Trump and our army of committing homicide by attacking these drug boats. To our women and men in uniform, you are not murdering anyone. You are making America safer by going after a narco-terrorist. You are following lawful orders. When President Bush, 41, took Ortega out in Panama, Reagan went into Grenada to take care of the Cuban affect from Grenada in our yard, he has all of the authority on this planet. This isn’t homicide. That is defending America from being poisoned by narco-terrorists coming from Venezuela and Colombia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, rather a lot there. However simply to make clear the examples you are citing, additionally concerned floor troops. You mentioned time for Maduro to go. That sounds rather a lot like regime change. Are you speaking about troops on the bottom?
SEN. GRAHAM: I am going to let the President converse to that. I am speaking a few briefing that will develop army operations doubtlessly from the ocean to the land. It’s time for Maduro to go. It was time for Ortega to go. You understand, the Monroe Doctrine has been robustly utilized by President Trump. So these army property are shifting ahead to take care of a rustic that is acquired blood on its arms in terms of Individuals by flooding our nation with medicine from Venezuela and Colombia. So I hope Maduro would depart peacefully, however I do not suppose he’ll keep round for much longer. I feel President Trump is uninterested in Venezuela getting used as a staging platform to poison America?
MARGARET BRENNAN Effectively, there’s rather a lot there, sir, however you cited a Democratic senator’s criticism. He is not the one one. A few of your Republican colleagues have been uncomfortable with what little data has been shared with Congress. Take a pay attention:
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SEN. RAND PAUL: If they need all out warfare the place we kill anyone and all people that’s within the nation of Venezuela or popping out that has to have a declaration of warfare. It is one thing that isn’t fairly, very costly, and I am not in favor of declaring warfare on Venezuela, however the Congress ought to vote. And the President should not do that by himself.
SEN. JAMES LANKFORD: If this was taking place with this degree of perception underneath the Biden administration, I might be apoplectic.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Todd Younger additionally criticized this, what precisely is the tip sport? Since you’re speaking about regime change in Venezuela, the President says that is about drug boats.
SEN. GRAHAM: Yeah. Effectively, I feel the tip sport is to be sure that Venezuela and Colombia can’t be used to poison America, that the narco-terrorist dictator Maduro not be capable of threaten our nation and to ship in medicine to kill Individuals. As to Rand Paul, I simply disagree basic along with his strategy. We did not have a declaration to enter Panama. Bush 41 went into Panama to switch the management there, as a result of the Panama management, Panamanian management, have been working with drug cartels to threaten our nation. Reagan did not have a declaration of warfare congressional authorization to take care of Cuban affect. So this idea- Rand Paul, I simply basically disagree with. To the opposite senators, you deserve extra data, and you are going to get extra data, however there isn’t any requirement for Congress to declare warfare earlier than the commander-in-chief can use power. Panama and Grenada are two examples in our yard, the place Republican presidents selected to go after nations and leaders that have been threatening our folks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However there appeared to be a variety of points wound up in right here. I do know you personally used to function a choose advocate within the Air Drive. We appeared on the JAG guide: preventative self protection employed to counter non imminent threats is unlawful underneath worldwide regulation. So if we aren’t at warfare and these suspected criminals pose no risk of imminent violence, is not this doubtlessly a warfare crime to be killing the folks on these boats after which to be taking out a pacesetter?
SEN. GRAHAM: No, in no way. I do not know what man you are referring to, however I do know what President Bush, 41 did. He took down Ortega [sic], the chief of Panama, as a result of he was concerned in drug trafficking threatening our nation. Venezuela is now partnering with Hezbollah. Hezbollah is operating out of cash as a result of Iran is weak.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is not new.
SEN. GRAHAM: Partnering with drug cartels in Venezuela. No, it ought to have stopped. This is what, here is what’s new. You bought a commander-in-chief’s not going to place up with this crap. We’re not going to take a seat on the sidelines and watch boats full of medicine come to our nation. We will blow them up and kill the people who wish to poison America, and we’re now going to develop operations, I feel, to the land. So please be clear about what I am saying at the moment. President Donald Trump sees Venezuela and Colombia as direct threats to our nation, as a result of they home Narco terrorist organizations. The chief of Venezuela is an indicted drug vendor in American courts. So yeah, the sport is altering in terms of drug traffickers and drug cartels. We will use army power like now we have up to now to guard our nation. That is the brand new sport we’re taking part in, and I am glad we’re taking part in that sport, and if I have been Maduro, I might discover a method to go away earlier than warmth goes down.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However is trafficking cocaine an armed assault on the US? That is what you are equating it to?
SEN. GRAHAM: I’m saying that there is loads of regulation underneath article, Article Two powers of the President are designed to guard our nations from threats overseas and home. Was it unlawful for Bush to take Ortega out in Panama? Was it unlawful for Reagan to enter Grenada to cease Cuban affect constructing this large, lengthy runway? There’s loads of precedent right here to do what he is doing. However the sport has modified. The sport has modified in terms of narco trafficking, drug organizations. We will take you out.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, you referenced one thing earlier. Sorry. I wish to come again to you mentioned to the women and men of the army that they’re finishing up lawful orders. Secretary Hegseth eliminated the highest uniformed attorneys within the Air Drive, you understand this, the Navy and the Military, as a result of he known as them roadblocks to orders which are given by a commander-in-chief. There have been different departures as effectively. This raises concern that commanders are usually not being given satisfactory authorized counsel. That’s the reason you simply mentioned that sentence, to guarantee them.
SEN. GRAHAM: That is that is rubbish, that is absolute rubbish–
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Which that Hegseth mentioned that?
SEN. GRAHAM: No, no. I am saying that- the idea that President Trump’s doing one thing right here illegally, coping with a rustic that is run by an indicted drug vendor. It is the identical as Panama. There’s a greater case to enter Venezuela than there was Panama. There’s a greater case to take care of Colombia than there was Grenada. Yeah, I have been doing this all of my grownup life. I’ve all the boldness on this planet that President Trump has the authorized authority, however extra importantly, he is doing the correct factor. Extra Individuals have died from cocaine and fentanyl poisoning than any terrorist group on this planet. I’m more than happy that we now have a president who’s going to make use of the complete power of, of the American folks, the may of America, to guard us from narco terrorist states and drug organizations. Stick with it, Mr. President, we’re not committing homicide. We’re defending our nation from individuals who wish to poison us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, there’s clearly patrons on the opposite finish of it, which is why the cartels are promoting, proper?
SEN. GRAHAM: Effectively yeah, we’ll take care of each. We’ll take care of each.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively I wish to come again to– once we speak about lawful orders right here, I actually spoke to a former senior commander who mentioned he’d need that in writing due to concern that, that that is going to be down the road questionable.
SEN. GRAHAM: What in writing?
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ve got already heard the orders to hold out operations. You’ve got already heard Democratic lawmakers, together with on this program, say that they’ve considerations about future prosecutions of officers.
SEN. GRAHAM: Effectively act in your considerations. Why do not you- Why do not you- Okay, in case you’ve acquired considerations, here is what we will do as members of Congress. We are able to reduce off funding for army operations we do not like. So in case you’re involved as a Democrat or Republican, why do not you introduce laws to chop off all funding to the army in terms of attacking drug votes and going after narco terrorist states via the army. You are able to do that. Go forward and do it. I am going to vote no. I feel it has all of the authority on this planet underneath Article Two and worldwide regulation to be sure that nations like Venezuela cannot be staging areas to infiltrate medicine into our nation. It isn’t a, I feel it has all of the authorized authority on this planet. I am simply actually glad he is doing this and Mr. President, stick with it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, we stay up for listening to these justifications when they’re shared with Congress. You made some information there, Senator. Thanks on your time at the moment. We’ll be again in a second.
Editor’s Be aware: A earlier model of this transcript mistakenly attributed a quote to Sen. Todd Younger as an alternative of Sen. James Lankford. The textual content has been up to date.
Editor’s word: The George H.W. Bush administration carried out a land invasion in Panama in 1989 that eliminated Manuel Noriega from energy, not Daniel Ortega.
