On this “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio
- Home Speaker Mike Johnson, Republican of Louisiana
- Senate Minority Chief Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York
- Sen. Tammy Duckworth, Democrat of Illinois
- Ret. Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
And this week on Face the Nation: Is Israel’s battle with Hamas lastly coming to an finish? In the meantime, the federal government shutdown continues without end.
Two years after the October 7 bloodbath that killed greater than 1,200 Israelis, is a critical plan for a full hostage launch and cease-fire in Gaza lastly materializing? Secretary of State Marco Rubio will inform us the place that deal stands and what’s forward for Gaza, the place greater than 67,000 have been killed within the battle’s destruction.
Plus, the Trump administration continues to ramp up its federal presence in blue cities.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): We will straighten them out one after the other. It is the enemy from inside, and we have now to deal with it earlier than it will get uncontrolled.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we are going to take a better take a look at the Trump Division of Battle’s new guidelines for the navy. Illinois Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth will be a part of us, in addition to retired Military Lieutenant Basic Ben Hodges.
Lastly, as Congress continues their standoff on authorities funding, we are going to discuss with Home Speaker Mike Johnson and Senate Minority Chief Chuck Schumer about why Individuals say the shutdown is hurting each political events.
It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
When phrase got here late Friday that Hamas was open to the 20-point plan devised by President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to return the hostages and cease the battle in Gaza, Mr. Trump took to social media.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): It is a massive day. We’ll see the way it all seems. We’ve to get the ultimate phrase down in concrete.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Negotiators for all sides will start conferences in Cairo tomorrow with that actual purpose in thoughts. Particular envoy to the Center East Steve Witkoff and the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, will characterize the U.S.
We’ll discuss with the president’s high diplomat and nationwide safety adviser, Marco Rubio, in a second.
However, first, our Debora Patta experiences from Israel.
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DEBORA PATTA (voice-over): Suspended between hope and dread, households and associates of hostages who’ve waited practically two years for his or her family members to come back residence should not celebrating but.
LIRAN BERMAN (Hostage Relative): We’ve lived by way of Hamas lies earlier than. We can not let one other deal collapse.
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DEBORA PATTA: Many Israelis fear, the hazard lies inside. Proper-wing members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling coalition Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich have threatened to break down his authorities if Hamas nonetheless exists after the hostages are launched.
ZAHIRO MOR (Hostage Relative): And we all know that, the nearer we get, the extra Ben-Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu will do every little thing to sabotage our probability to embrace our family members.
DEBORA PATTA: The phrases of the proposed deal take the right-wing dream of annexing Gaza off the desk and demand a staged Israeli withdrawal from the territory. Hamas has agreed to launch all of the hostages in change for prisoners and give up governing energy in Gaza.
However it’s the issues left unsaid that might upend a deal. Hamas has made no point out of disarmament, a key Israeli demand. Palestinians are simply as determined for a cease-fire. President Trump had ordered Israel to cease bombing Gaza after Hamas’ response, however not all of the weapons went silent.
Asmi Hamdan’s (sp?) 12-year-old granddaughter was killed in an Israeli strike yesterday.
“What was her crime?” he sobbed. “Shrapnel pierced her chest and he or she died.”
JAMES ELDER (UNICEF Spokesperson): That is two years of a relentless assault on every little thing they maintain expensive.
DEBORA PATTA: We spoke to UNICEF’s James Elder in Gaza.
How vital is it proper now for the youngsters of Gaza?
JAMES ELDER: Oh, it is every little thing. It is every little thing. They’re holding on. They actually – they are surely. It is daily.
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DEBORA PATTA: And there will likely be lots of strain on each Israel and Hamas when negotiations round logistics for a hostage-prisoner swap start in Cairo tomorrow.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to Secretary of State and Nationwide Safety Adviser Marco Rubio.
Good morning to you, Mr. Secretary.
MARCO RUBIO (U.S. Secretary of State): Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It could be extraordinary to finish what has been one in all Israel’s longest and bloodiest wars.
The prime minister stated he is solely permitting these talks that will likely be underway in Egypt to go for a number of days. What precisely is the deadline for Hamas and the fear teams who’re holding hostages? When do they should launch them?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, yeah, so a pair factors.
Hamas has – clearly, look, we’re coping with Hamas, OK? So let’s take that with – for what it’s. However they’ve stated that they agree with the president’s framework for the discharge of the hostages. So what these talks needs to be about – and a few of that dialog is already occurring now – – it is not ready till Monday in Cairo – is the logistics behind the discharge of those hostages.
How do you cease the combating? Who’s going to go in and get them? You recognize, when are they going to be launched? The place are they picked up? What are the processes for this? That is what needs to be – that is what this dialog needs to be about at this level, as a result of they’ve agreed to the framework of it.
Then there’s second – past that’s, what occurs after that? And that’s, how can we be sure that we are able to create a – and assist construct a Gaza freed from terrorism, freed from Hamas, freed from something like Hamas? And that is going to take work and a while, not simply to agree on, however to implement.
However that is vital, as a result of that is what is going on to convey a everlasting finish to those hostilities in the long run. And so these are the 2 phases right here. However, proper now, essentially the most emergent and speedy section is the one which Hamas claims to have agreed to already, and that’s, they’re ready to launch the hostages.
Let’s talk about by way of the mediators the logistics and the mechanics behind how that occurs. And that has to occur in a short time. That can’t drag on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So my sources have indicated to me that, as a result of the higher echelon of Hamas fighters has been so decimated, communication is tough. The opposite terror teams who additionally maintain hostages in Gaza aren’t essentially simply managed by them.
How do you handle round this actuality? And is full launch by October 7 the demand?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, I do not know in regards to the date. It could be nice if it was earlier than October 7. We want it might have occurred yesterday.
However there are realities right here, after which there are issues individuals do to impede progress. Actuality is, it is a battle zone. I imply, it is a place that suffered an incredible quantity of destruction. That combating must cease. You may’t launch hostages whereas there’s nonetheless bombardments occurring.
However, on the identical time, that may’t – you already know, in order that has to finish, however – that has to cease. However you additionally should work by way of the opposite logistics. Who’s going to go decide them up? We noticed how this occurred previously. You recognize, the Crimson Cross would go in.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: They might be handed over by way of this course of, et cetera. And so all of that is what needs to be labored on and is being labored on as we converse.
So I am not telling you there aren’t some logistical hurdles right here, however I’m saying that the expectation is, is that this occurs rapidly. And I’d additionally say that, whereas we would like all of the hostages to be launched, if there are 5 which can be able to go proper now, they need to be launched proper now. If one other 10 are able to go in 12 hours after that, the subsequent group ought to come out, however, finally, they need to all come out.
And I feel what you are listening to from individuals is, sure, there needs to be some logistics that should be labored by way of. However what you may’t have and what we will not see and what we hope we is not going to see is that we get into these talks, and these talks are then delayed, and it seems like they’re unnecessarily delaying it.
That might be a really dangerous signal. Let’s hope that is not what occurs. And it is going to be essential for our companions within the area who signed on to this deal, the UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, et cetera, for them to be placing lots of strain on Hamas to ensure this occurs as rapidly as doable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you identified that releases cannot occur when bombardments are underway.
Our CBS crew in Gaza tells us that there are Israeli bombardments below approach. There have been strikes Saturday, tens killed, extra injured, bombings persevering with. One incident included 10 individuals killed once they tried to examine in on their houses in areas the place there are additionally navy websites. Is that acceptable?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, I feel, finally, what you are going to see right here is that, when an settlement is reached on these are the logistics behind when the discharge goes to occur, then I feel you will see these bombardments cease.
And I feel a few of that exercise has already decreased considerably. So, there is a framework right here, and the framework is easy. When you agree on the logistics of how that is going to occur – I feel the Israelis and everybody acknowledge you may’t launch hostages in the midst of strikes, so the strikes must cease, and, as you noticed, the president state that very clearly on Friday, the place he need – requested the Israelis to start to drag again to create the situations for these releases.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, this isn’t a violation of that?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: So, look, there’s going to be lots of complexities.
Effectively, we’re making an attempt to get the hostages out. That is the underside line. We need to get the hostages out as quickly as doable. For that to occur, there cannot be a battle occurring in the midst of it, and Hamas has to agree to show them over and we have now to have the appropriate individuals go in and get them. That is what we will deal with proper now, and that is what we will – that is what we have been centered on.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: And that is what the talks are going to be about in the present day, on Monday, on Tuesday, to get this achieved as quickly as doable.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I hear you. There are two phases right here, with – Hamas releasing the hostages is the one you are most centered on. However, massive image, does the USA assess that Israel has so diminished the menace posed by Hamas that it could finish fight and transition to the sort of decrease tempo counterterrorism marketing campaign that, say, the USA carries out towards terrorist threats to this nation?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, look, I imply, the best consequence right here is, you do not have to hold out any counterterror missions as a result of there aren’t any terrorists in Gaza as a result of Gaza is ruled by Palestinian technocrats.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However can they take the win? Can Netanyahu say he received this battle?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, to begin with, that – making a Gaza – or establishing a Gaza that’s ruled by Palestinian technocrats that aren’t terrorists and should not sponsoring terrorism, that is not going to occur in 72 hours.
MARGARET BRENNAN: After all.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: That is going to take a while to construct up, and it is going to require lots of work and lots of worldwide help.
And that is the top purpose right here of this complete endeavor, after you get the hostages out. By the way in which, if you cannot get the hostages out, you haven’t any hope of getting that achieved. In order that’s why I say, you already know, that that – these two steps have to occur.
However it is going to take lots of exhausting work and time. You recognize, you are making an attempt to construct one thing that does not exist proper now, which is a type of civilian Palestinian management that is not tied to terrorism. That does not exist proper now. It may take lots of assist from worldwide companions.
That is why having the nations within the area and the Europeans and all others concerned on this in each cash and assets, that is why constructing that coalition is so vital. After which implementing it’s not going to be straightforward.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: It may take a while right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However I feel, definitely, for the primary time in a very long time, you see the framework and the outlines of one thing that might work.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However fight operations can finish?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, that is the purpose right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, you would not want fight operations if there weren’t terrorists there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However, by the identical token, I’d remind everyone, if, actually, on the finish of all this terrorism and a terrorist group stays lively inside Gaza, you are not going to have peace.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: That is the basic reality right here that everybody wants to simply accept.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: You are by no means going to have peace in Gaza so long as there are terrorists working from that territory threatening the safety of Israel.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. However by way of occupation and fight operations, that is completely different than a counterterrorism marketing campaign.
However let me ask you particularly what President Trump stated. He informed Barak Ravid of Axios that Prime Minister Netanyahu – quote – “took it very far, and Israel misplaced lots of help on this planet. Now I will get all that help again.”
At what level did President Trump resolve that Netanyahu took this battle in Gaza or his operations all through the Center East, when did he take it too far?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, I feel the president’s – OK, the president’s commentary, principally, is that due to the size of this battle and the way it’s gone – we have all seen the worldwide narrative.
We have all seen it. Whether or not we agree with it or not, we have now seen nations just like the U.Okay., Australia, Canada and others come out and type of sign help for – or announce help for a Palestinian state. We’ve seen, even in our personal home politics, among the assaults on Israel.
We do not neglect what occurred on October 7.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: That is the opposite factor the president repeatedly factors to, is, keep in mind October 7.
However the implic – whether or not we agree with it or not, we have now seen the influence that this has had on Israel’s international standing. And I feel that is the purpose the president is making right here, is that, whether or not you consider it was justified or not, proper or not, that we – you can not ignore the influence that this has had on Israel’s international standing.
That stated, if we by no means need to see this occur once more, that means a battle like this, you may by no means have one other October 7 or something prefer it ever occur once more. And that is the factor the president has reiterated and repeatedly made clear to our companions within the area, and that’s, should you actually need peace and stability and a greater future for the Palestinian individuals, then there needs to be a Gaza that’s not ruled or managed in any approach, form or kind by Hamas or something that appears like Hamas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
Does the USA help a Palestinian state? As a result of level 19 in your White Home plan talks a couple of credible pathway to Palestinian self- willpower and statehood.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, once more, we have all the time stated – I imply, this has been a constant place all through – that the one approach you are ever going to have something that appears like statehood is in a negotiated take care of the Israelis. We’re so removed from that proper now.
A pathway means, sure, you are going to…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper, however Prime Minister Netanyahu opposes…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However…
MARGARET BRENNAN: … a Palestinian state and thanked President Trump for talking towards recognition of 1. That is why I am asking you to make clear.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, we’ve not acknowledged a Palestinian state.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I perceive.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: The USA has not. And, proper now, there isn’t any level in doing that…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Does the U.S. need to see one?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: … as a result of it is not even doable. That is not even a practical factor proper now, as a result of who – who would govern that Palestinian state, Hamas?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, it is level 19 in your plan…
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Who would govern it?
MARGARET BRENNAN: … I believed.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: Effectively, however that is speaking a couple of pathway long run and sooner or later.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: However one of many – earlier than you may even get there, OK, that is – you already know, earlier than you may even get there, it’s important to have somebody to show that land – Israel’s made clear they’ve no real interest in governing Gaza, they’ve no real interest in occupying Gaza long run and being the federal government of Gaza.
I feel Israel – I can not converse for Israel, however I feel Israel would let you know they’d love to show over Gaza to a Palestinian group that is not terroristic. They might love to try this. However that does not exist proper now. That needs to be constructed, and that is going to take time.
You are not going to construct that in 72 hours. You are not going to construct that in 72 weeks. I imply, it is going to take a while to get to that time. So that is the pathway this discusses. And I feel, should you look ahead into the long run, the place there may be abruptly a Palestinian government-like group that may govern territory, then there’s lots of prospects.
However that needs to be negotiated and agreed to by Israel. In the long run, it is quite simple. There will be peace in Gaza. There will be Palestinian governance in Gaza, whether or not you name it statehood or one thing else, so long as it’s not terrorists which can be in control of that territory.
That is what Israel agreed to once they turned over Gaza within the first place, after which Hamas took over Gaza and turned it right into a terrorist camp, and that is what’s led us to the purpose that we’re at in the present day. So if we are able to get off that street and onto a unique street, there are lots of prospects long run and sooner or later, however proper now…
MARGARET BRENNAN: So possibly?
SECRETARY MARCO RUBIO: … we’re removed from that. Proper now, we – we have to get these hostages out, and we simply want technocrats that aren’t terrorists to have the ability to start the fundamental reconstruction of Gaza.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That interview was taped earlier in the present day.
With the digital camera off, Secretary Rubio clarified that President Trump nonetheless opposes Israeli annexation of the West Financial institution, although there isn’t a point out of the occupied territory within the 20-point White Home peace plan.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the federal government shutdown now in its fifth day.
Home Speaker Mike Johnson joins us from Capitol Hill.
Good morning to you, Speaker. Anybody up there to barter with?
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REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON (R-Louisiana): There’s not, Margaret.
Good morning. Good to listen to your voice.
It is sort of quiet round right here. It has been for the final a number of days, and it’s totally unlucky, as a result of, as we’re speaking, actual individuals are being adversely affected across the nation, and a few in – in very substantial methods.
I pray that extra Democrats within the Senate will come to their senses and do the appropriate factor, and once they have the subsequent alternative on Monday to vote to open the federal government, I certainly hope that they’ll.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, you probably did ship your lawmakers residence to their districts, which suggests we have got in all probability one other week forward of us of this shutdown.
You talked about the real-world influence. Federal employees, together with our navy, would miss their first paychecks October 15 or 16. How lengthy ought to employees plan to be with out that earnings?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Effectively, the one one who can reply that query is your subsequent visitor. And that is Chuck Schumer, as a result of the Home did its job. The rationale that Home Republicans are residence working of their districts, and I think Home Democrats needs to be as nicely, is as a result of we did that.
We handed a bipartisan, very clear persevering with decision a few weeks again now, and despatched it to the Senate. It is essential to notice what was in that. It was solely 24 pages in size, Margaret. It was a very good religion effort to maintain the federal government open for seven extra weeks in order that Republicans and Democrats, in a bipartisan trend, may work collectively to fund the federal government with the appropriations course of.
Chuck Schumer all the time voted for these previously. In actual fact, he did it 13 occasions through the 4 years of the Biden administration, however now abruptly he is commanding his Democrats within the Senate to not do it. And there is one easy cause why. They want political cowl from the far left nook of the bottom.
He is afraid, Chuck Schumer individually – ask him about it – he is afraid he will get a problem from the Marxist left in his celebration, as a result of that is the brand new wave in New York. That is what that is about. Chuck Schumer is making an attempt to point out a battle towards the president and Republicans, and actual Individuals are being harmed within the technique of this political sport.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Effectively, Democrats, as you already know, need to have one other dialog in regard to extending some tax subsidies that decrease the price of some well being care that is bought by way of the Obamacare market.
To that time, although, you are speaking in regards to the politics of this. Our CBS polling that we launched in the present day reveals neither celebration’s stance is considered as price shutting down this authorities.
The Democrats need to discuss in regards to the tax credit. You recognize premium pricing is already being set now, even when this does not expire till finish of the yr. Your fellow Republican Jen Kiggans stated: “Elevating prices for households with little discover and probably stripping them of entry to care is solely unacceptable.”
Would not she have some extent right here?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: There’s lots of factors to be made on that, and we’re prepared to speak about, negotiate and do all of that.
However they’re making an attempt to create that as a crimson herring right here proper now. Margaret, it is a funding bootstrap measure, a quite simple, very standard factor that is been achieved right here on a regular basis. That is the way in which it really works now. We want a bit of extra time on the clock to complete the appropriations course of. We’ve loads of time to debate that very difficult challenge.
It isn’t a easy one. There needs to be reforms to that subsidy, as a result of there’s lots of fraud, waste and abuse concerned in it. There is a – there’s 535 members of Congress within the Home and Senate. There is a – there’s in all probability 400 completely different concepts on learn how to repair that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: However we’d like a bit of time to do it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: We’re not saying that we cannot negotiate it. We’re saying, flip the lights again on in Congress, get troops paid, TSA brokers and Border Patrol brokers paid who’re making an attempt to guard us.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Restore the well being care packages which can be being stalled for veterans and Medicare recipients who’re getting residence well being. It is all stalled now. Restore FEMA flood insurance coverage packages in the midst of a hurricane program…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. Flip the lights again on.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: … and WIC packages for younger ladies.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However simply…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: We obtained to get this fastened now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However simply to make clear what you have been simply saying, do I hear you accurately that you just, as speaker of the Home, need to see the tax credit score prolonged at a future date? Is that what you might be saying?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: No. No, I have not staked out any place on it but, as a result of that is not how this course of works. We’re in a deliberative physique.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. I am asking you your place since you stated…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: I am the speaker of the Home.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … you’d be prepared to speak about it.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: I am telling you my place. I am the speaker of the Home. What I’ve to do is draw consensus amongst 435 members of my physique. I do not get out and mission what the ultimate conclusion goes to be.
And I’ve informed Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries most not too long ago within the Oval Workplace with the president simply 5, six days in the past, maintain the federal government open in order that we are able to do this job.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: We have been all the time planning to try this. Once more, the funding runs out December 31. The month of October is a vital time for us to get to this.
However we will not when Chuck Schumer retains voting to close the federal government down for political causes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: That is purely and easily what’s occurring right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You consider you’ve got time right here, however our accomplice at well being coverage suppose tank KFF reported 80 % of all premium tax credit went to Obamacare enrollees in Trump-won states, crimson states.
Do you actually – do fear in any respect that this stance may backfire, that ready to speak in regards to the tax credit score may harm you and will harm your voters?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: No, as a result of – no, no, as a result of we have now time to do it. Once more, the funding does not run out till December 31. We’re speaking a couple of September 30 deadline that is now handed to maintain the federal government open in order that Republicans and Democrats can have that very debate.
Chuck Schumer has shut it off as a result of he wants a political argument proper now. A hundred percent, Margaret, that is what that is about.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Play the tape. Play the tape of Chuck Schumer saying persistently for the final 30 years…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: … that C.R.s are harmful, damaging, and egocentric. He’s now the captain of it, and it is on him.
Republicans within the Home, Senate, and the White Home need to maintain the federal government open.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you need…
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: We’ve voted to take action. Democrats are shutting it down.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you might be committing to have that dialog about well being care, is what I perceive you saying?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: It was – it was all the time going to proceed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: They’re making this up. That may be a crimson herring. They’re making an attempt to – they’re making an attempt to say that this battle proper now’s about that. That wasn’t even a battle. It is a joke. Name him on it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, the director of the Financial Council, Kevin Hassett, was on one other community this morning, and stated it’s as much as the president of the USA to resolve when the mass layoffs will start.
He appears to be indicating the president is utilizing these RIFs, these discount in pressure threats, as leverage right here. Have you learnt how rapidly these layoffs will begin?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: I do not know. I anticipate it must be quickly, as a result of Chuck Schumer turned off the funding sources and whomever is the chair of the Workplace…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Would you like that as leverage?
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: No, nor – neither does the president. No, the president needs the federal government open. He is pleaded with Schumer and Hakeem in particular person in his workplace to try this, they usually stated no, as a result of they need to do that.
You recognize what they counterproposed? They need to spend $1.5 trillion, they usually need to return hardworking taxpayer {dollars} to fund well being take care of unlawful aliens. It’s of their invoice. Go to speaker.gov and see it for your self, web page 57, Part 2141. They’re utilizing this for political video games, and it’s shameful, and actual individuals are getting harm.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, that – I’ve checked out that textual content. It does not explicitly say what you might be indicating.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Wait a minute. Wait. Maintain on. Crucial. Crucial.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However unauthorized immigrants aren’t eligible for ACA advantages.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: Sure, it does. It is – it says very merely they need to repeal the modifications that we made within the – within the Working Households Tax Minimize, the One Huge Stunning Invoice.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is proper.
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE JOHNSON: And what these modifications have been is, it eliminated well being care going to unlawful aliens. It eliminated all of the fraud, waste and abuse. And the Congressional Price range Workplace, CBO, stated it achieved the specified end result. They mission it’s going to save virtually $200 billion.
Chuck Schumer’s proposal on web page 57 needs to return that $200 billion of taxpayer funds to pay for unlawful aliens and different noncitizens. That may be a reality, and you’ll test it out on my Website online, speaker.gov. Do not belief me. Take a look at Chuck Schumer’s personal paperwork.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Speaker of the Home Mike Johnson, thanks in your time this morning.
We’ll be proper again with much more Face the Nation. Stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Developing subsequent, Senate Minority Chief Chuck Schumer. Stick with us to listen to what Democrats should say in regards to the deadlock once we come again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to “FACE THE NATION.”
Senator Chuck Schumer is the highest Democrat on the opposite aspect of the Capitol, and he joins us now from New York Metropolis.
Good morning to you, Chief.
I need to decide up on one thing the speaker of the Home was pointing to. He needs this battle to be about illegals, as he stated. And I need to be particular right here as a result of we all know from our analysis that there isn’t a federal cash that goes in the direction of well being care tax credit for undocumented immigrants on this nation. The federal authorities does not fund medical health insurance for the undocumented. However it is usually true that states, like yours, New York, does present well being take care of people who find themselves on this nation illegally. And their argument appears to be the cash right here is fundable and backside line is it comes out of the federal pocket. Do you need to reply to that?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): You recognize, they do not need to – Johnson does not need to talk about the actual challenge, the well being care disaster dealing with the American individuals, so he places up all these pretend lies to attempt to divert consideration. It is his commonplace operation. He is simply is anxious with the politics.
Each impartial company that appears at this says Johnson’s declare is fake. And simply as you stated, Margaret, no, zero federal {dollars} can go to undocumented immigrants by way of Medicare, Medicaid, by way of ACA. And so, we must be speaking about the actual challenge right here, which is that we have now a well being care disaster in America, brought on by the Republicans. They’ve – they’ve barreled us in the direction of a shutdown as a result of they do not need to take care of that disaster, plain and easy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, let’s discuss in regards to the shutdown in a second. When it comes to well being care, the place you – you have taken us by way of the messaging, Democrats, as I perceive it, are searching for an extension of these Obamacare tax credit score. I consider you would like them completely. You heard the speaker say, we are able to speak about that after the federal government is reopened, maybe not completely. However do you hear any sort of opening right here for a negotiation by any means?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Effectively, proper now, not. Look, Johnson’s not critical about this. He despatched his – all his congressmen residence final week and residential this week. The way you going to barter once they’re all there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, he says the job is within the Senate with you and – and Chief Thune.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: And he is – nicely, no, you want – no, you really want Johnson. If you are going to negotiate any settlement, you want Johnson, Thune, Trump, Schumer, and Jeffries. And the explanation he despatched them house is as a result of he is extra eager about defending the Epstein information than defending the American individuals from the well being care disaster.
We have been making an attempt for months and months to sit down down with him and have a critical dialog addressing America’s well being care wants. They usually’ve refused and refused and refused. And simply in your present, and on different reveals, once they ask him, nicely, will you do it in January.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He says it – it is beginning in January. He says, no, we’ll have a dialog. Effectively, you already know what, later means by no means. And we have tried 45 days and 45 days and 45 days from March on. We requested them to vote on it 3 times. The Republicans within the Senate. They voted no 3 times. So, we have to remedy this disaster.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That was a everlasting extension. Effectively –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look –
MARGARET BRENNAN: The invoice that I feel you are referring to was Senator Shaheen. It was a everlasting extension. It wasn’t the, you already know, compromise that he –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He – Johnson has not dedicated –
MARGARET BRENNAN: That some Republicans have proposed.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Sure. Margaret, Johnson has not dedicated to any extension and he will not till the American individuals pressure him to. And it does not – and, by the way in which, the disaster does not begin in January. Two days in the past, beginning October 1st, hundreds of thousands of Individuals are getting notices that their well being care premiums are going – dramatically rising. If you happen to’re a 55-year-old couple and also you pay – make $80,000, you understand how a lot your premiums will go up if we do not prolong it? It’ll go up one thing like $25,000. The common American pays $900 extra.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: How do Individuals who’re struggling, and sitting on the desk Friday evening determining learn how to pay the payments, how on earth can they get such a rise? Democrats are easy, we need to prolong it, and they also will not should pay that enhance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: And Johnson doesn’t need to do it. He is simply not critical about it, as exemplified by him sending the Home residence for 2 weeks. You’ll want to be right here to barter.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, you are utilizing the phrase “prolong” verses making everlasting, simply making clear there.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look –
MARGARET BRENNAN: After which the quantity we see –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look, I am not –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is the typical enhance of about $1,000 in premium funds for many households that can go into impact.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Proper. Proper. Sure, and it is horrible.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However – however on the – on –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: And also you – it is horrible.
MARGARET BRENNAN: On the – on the reopening every little thing dialog, sir, although –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I imply, do you belief Chief Thune? And – and if you take a look at simply your numbers right here, three senators already crossed over to vote with Republicans on this short-term funding deal. Are you involved about extra defections?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Look, it is a Republican shutdown as a result of they’ve refused to speak with us. Johnson, I noticed him talked about that we did it 13 occasions after I was majority chief. That is true. You recognize why? In each case we sat down and talked with the Republicans, and there was a give and take, after which either side did not get every little thing they needed, however we obtained it achieved. They’ve refused to speak to us even as soon as. And Jeffries and I’ve been making an attempt to get them to speak to us for –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, Thune – Thune informed Fox that there are ongoing –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: They’ve tried to get to – us to speak to them for –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Ongoing conversations.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: We have tried to speak to them for months and months and months they usually stated, no. The American individuals know that they are in cost. Republican president, Republican Senate, Republican Home, that they’ve a duty to governor, which suggests sit down and discuss with us so we are able to tackle these wants.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However again to the query of defections. Chief Thune was on one other community, on Fox, and he stated there are conversations with Democrats who need to discover an offramp right here. Is he having conversations with Democrats aside from you? Are you certain you may’t – will you’ve got defections?
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: I’ve – I’ve inspired my – sure, Margaret, I’ve inspired my Democratic members to sit down and discuss to Republicans. It is all the time good when Democrats and Republicans discuss to one another.
However two factors. First, in these conversations, the Republicans provided nothing. And – however second, the one approach this can finally be solved is that if 5 individuals sit collectively in a room and remedy it. They’re the president, who additionally does not appear critical about this. You recognize, he is placing out his memes and his issues with the grim reaper and all of that stuff, and he is taking part in golf.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Johnson’s not critical. And so, we have got to sit down down, the 5 of us. That is the way in which to resolve this drawback. However when Democrats discuss to Republicans, it is a good factor. And I’ve inspired my Democrats to do it, however they’ve provided us nothing. No change.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Have you ever tried calling President Trump? He appears to take telephone calls immediately.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Effectively, you already know, we sat – we tried to get President Trump to sit down down with us weeks in the past, lengthy earlier than the shutdown date began.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, no. OK.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He stated – he stated, sure. He stated, no. Johnson informed him to say no. We sat down the – you already know, the day earlier than, and he wasn’t critical. He put these crimson hats on the desk, and he is joking round. And actually, within the assembly, Margaret, I obtained the sensation he did not even know what was occurring, that the disaster was impending, that folks would pay such a –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: He as soon as stated, they are going to pay all that? That might be dangerous for me.
And so the courtroom right here is the American individuals.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Uh-uh.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: The American individuals are listening to what’s occurring, and they’re demanding that we tackle this disaster.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: They’re demanding we sit down collectively and do it. It is simply logical. They’re – say that, you already know, in your survey that you just put out –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: They are saying that 75 % of individuals really feel Trump is not doing sufficient. One other survey by “The Washington Put up” confirmed not solely did 80 % of the American individuals need us to increase these credit, however 55 % of Trump voters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, our – our –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: The American individuals are, proper now –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Our –
SENATOR CHUCK SCHUMER: Speaking to their senators, you already know, speaking to their congressmen. They’re telling them, get this achieved. We need to get it achieved.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Our – our CBS polling additionally reveals that neither aspect is getting good grades on any of this, Chief.
We will have to depart that right here for this second.
We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re now joined by Illinois Democratic Senator Tammy Duckworth.
Good morning, and good to have you ever right here in particular person.
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH (D-IL): Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, I’ve to ask you about what the president introduced yesterday in regard to federalizing 300 Nationwide Guardsmen out within the state of Illinois. We have heard this menace going again all the way in which to August. The governor says these should not wanted. Do you’ve got any concept once they’ll arrive?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Effectively, I consider they are going to be Illinois nationwide guardsmen, so they don’t seem to be going to be coming from out of state. I spoke to our governor yesterday, and it seems like it is going to be about 300 Illinois guardsmen who will likely be activated towards the governor’s needs. So, they will be – they will be homegrown Illinoisans. They usually’re our brothers and sisters, our neighbors. I in all probability served with fairly a variety of them, definitely the management, and, you already know, they will be residence. We’ll – we’ll welcome them.
It is a misuse of the Nationwide Guard. They’re – they don’t seem to be wanted on this specific position. If President Trump actually needed to battle crime, then possibly he ought to cease defunding the police. He, you already know, he diverted $800 million in crime prevention efforts away from – that was appropriated away from funding for our cops. So, you already know, I – I – they don’t seem to be wanted, however we will welcome them as a result of they’re our brothers and sisters, and we’re happy with our Nationwide Guard.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He has surged – or the federal authorities has surged brokers from completely different teams. The FBI stated yesterday they’re sending of us in. Inform me about these protests. As a result of the – the pictures look fairly intense of what has occurred in – between individuals on the streets of Chicago – we’re displaying a few of that video now – round immigration points. As I perceive, yesterday, ICE authorities shot a Chicago girl within the Brighton Park space. Secretary Noem claimed ICE fired defensive pictures at this girl, who was armed who had appeared in a border patrol intelligence bulletin beforehand. She claims that federal brokers have been surrounded and have been threatened. What are native authorities telling you about what they suppose occurred right here?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Effectively, they lie, proper? The Trump administration lies. We’ve a president who’s a recognized liar. They usually have been – they’ve been mendacity in regards to the scenario all alongside. And, actually, they even shot tear grenades – tear gasoline grenades, I feel, at a reporter who was merely driving by together with her window open. And so, we’re – we’re urging individuals, we’re urging our protesters, stay calm, peaceable protests, train your First Modification rights, however videotape every little thing. Everyone has a telephone. Tape every little thing in order that we even have actual proof of what’s occurring.
We all know the Trump administration lies persistently. And what I’m listening to is that, for the big half, individuals are being very fairly – are being very respectful, however ICE is being very aggressive. Keep in mind that they’re zip- tieing kids. They’re raiding house blocks in the midst of the evening, separating kids from their households, pulling individuals out on to the streets bare. They’re utilizing Gestapo techniques in Chicago. And that is what Trump needs to, proper? He needs to intimidate the individuals of Chicago. That is not going to occur. And we will doc every little thing and ensure, simply because the decide in Portland stated that these – these necessities, these orders from the Trump administration should not really tied to actuality.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking about President Trump’s directive to ship Oregon Nationwide Guard troops into Portland, and the decide stated that – untethered to the details.
However on this case, I imply the Homeland Safety adviser says, “there’s a big and rising motion of left wing terrorism organized and funded.” They’re posting on Homeland Safety photos of snipers. So, we’re not speaking troops, we’re speaking about federal brokers which can be finishing up a few of this proper now. Have you ever seen any proof of – of what Stephen Miller is describing right here by way of group and focusing on of federal brokers?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: No, in no way. That is – it is merely not occurring. They’re mendacity. And so, if anyone is focusing on anybody, it’s uncontrolled ICE brokers focusing on, once more, zip-tieing kids, throwing reporters onto the bottom, separating kids from their moms, making an attempt to persuade colleges to show over children from public colleges. They’re raging by way of the streets of Chicago making an attempt to intimidate on a regular basis, bizarre residents who’re simply making an attempt to go to highschool and go to work. That is not – that is not what America is about. And it’s shameful that the president of the USA has instigated this in one in all its biggest cities. He needs to be defending town. He needs to be defending town. Ship us the federal {dollars} that have been appropriated in a bipartisan technique to help legislation enforcement. They took cash away from legislation enforcement officers, little one prevention effort – violence towards kids prevention efforts. They – they’ve actually – this president has defunded the police.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively, that’s counter, their message not less than. However on the message across the navy, I need to ask you about what occurred at Quantico and simply – so our viewers are clear, you serve on Armed Providers, however you retired from the Nationwide Guard. You have been a lieutenant colonel.
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Twenty-three years. Pleased with it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Black Hawk helicopter pilot in Iraq. You served in fight. Secretary Hegseth informed senior navy leaders just some days in the past, he does not need to stop ladies from serving, however he is now going to require everybody meet the male commonplace.
Let’s hearken to that.
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PETE HEGSETH, SECRETARY OF WAR: In the case of any job that requires bodily energy to carry out in fight, these bodily requirements have to be excessive and gender impartial. If ladies could make it, wonderful. If not, it’s what it’s. If meaning no ladies qualify for some fight jobs, so be it. That isn’t the intent, however it could possibly be the end result.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: How did you hear these remarks? And the way do you suppose feminine service individuals heard them?
SENATOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH: Effectively, that is the least certified secretary of protection in our nation’s historical past. And he is questioning the flexibility of the ladies who really certified to do their – to do their jobs. The feminine rangers, the feminine that graduated from SEAL college have met these highest requirements. And by the way in which, he – he’s obfuscating a bit of bit as a result of there are completely different male requirements. The usual for a 45-year-old man isn’t the identical as an 18-year-old man. So, he does not really speak about that. He has lengthy sought to push ladies out of the navy. And, frankly, our navy couldn’t do its job of defending America and conserving us protected with out the ladies who serve within the navy.
If you happen to take a look at some classes we realized in Afghanistan, for instance, the lionesses, the Marine Corps group of ladies who really went on patrol, all feminine items, that really was capable of get intelligence from ladies, Afghani ladies, to get info on the enemy. Frankly, you have obtained the least certified secretary of protection within the nation’s historical past who wastes taxpayer {dollars} regularly doing issues like bringing generally and flag officers to be an viewers for his canine and pony present, utilizing them as little toy troopers, when they need to be on the market, at their items, in command, doing their jobs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, thanks for very time and in your perception.
We’ll be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the previous commanding basic of the U.S. Military in Europe, retired Lieutenant Basic Ben Hodges. And he joins us from Germany.
Welcome to “FACE THE NATION.”
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES (Retired Former Commanding Basic, U.S. Military in Europe): Thanks very a lot, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to decide – decide up the place we left off with Senator Duckworth, who’s a Purple Coronary heart recipient for her time serving this nation in fight.
Women and men have completely different primary health requirements. The secretary, in his remarks at Quantico, stated ladies – or he recommended ladies have been being given a go or have been held to decrease requirements for health necessities. Do you suppose his change to the, quote/unquote, “male commonplace” is important?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: I feel that is fully pointless. I’ve 38 years within the Military, and we have served with ladies in all types of various environments and deployments. And I by no means had a case the place a feminine soldier was not capable of do what she needed to do. So, it is a – appears to me an pointless, virtually a medieval strategy that does not replicate the necessities that we have now for ladies and men who’re clever, capable of function in a contemporary battlefield surroundings.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The protection secretary made these remarks at Quantico final week, as you nicely know, ordered in our most senior navy officers to listen to him lay out what he talked about by way of altering guidelines of engagement. These, you already know, codes of conduct and requirements, to make battle much less brutal. The secretary stated this.
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PETE HEGSETH, SECRETARY OF WAR: We additionally do not battle with silly guidelines of engagement. We untie the fingers of our battle fighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt, and kill the enemies of our nation. No extra politically appropriate and overbearing guidelines of engagement, simply frequent sense, most lethality and authority for battle fighters.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you make of – of these directives to officers?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Effectively, that is – that is not going to assist anyone accomplish their mission. I imply when you consider the mission that we had in Afghanistan, for instance, and I feel that is the place a few of his expertise comes from, it was to guard Afghan civilians in order that they may reestablish authorities and safe themselves. And so it was not about what number of Taliban may you kill. We had already tried that, and that did not work.
So, the principles of engagement should not politically appropriate. They don’t seem to be supposed to make it tougher for troopers or items to do their job. They really are a part of the mission. Why are we there? And so, I haven’t got any expertise the place killing lots of harmless individuals, or violating the Geneva Conference, goes to assist accomplish the mission.
I feel that the concept that we should always – that by some means it is going to make us higher and simpler by individuals not having to fret in regards to the legislation goes to be dangerous for us within the long-term as nicely, each psychologically for troopers, but in addition the belief of the American individuals and of our allies in American forces, the place we have now all the time lived as much as worldwide legislation. And that was the place lots of the respect got here from. We don’t need to be just like the Russian military, they usually definitely don’t be concerned about guidelines of engagement.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And the Geneva Conventions are one thing that the secretary, as a non-public citizen, wrote about in his e-book and questioned whether or not they need to be adopted in any respect. He stated, “what if we handled the enemy the way in which they handled us? And if we” – I imply he talked about al Qaeda and utilizing a few of their techniques, “rip their arms off, feed them to the hogs.” I imply, this sounds powerful, however by way of follow, does it danger the lives of – of those that are the set off pullers, those that are on the bottom, to have this message delivered from the best ranges?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Effectively, hear, to begin with, the Geneva Conventions have been constructed beginning in 1949 after the Second World Battle. They usually have been supposed to guard harmless individuals, helpless individuals, noncombatants from the ravages of battle, because it did occur within the Second World Battle. And I do not suppose anyone would say that Dwight Eisenhower was woke. And right here he was, he was chief of workers of the Military, after which supreme allied commander, after which president. So, this was throughout his time that the USA helped create and signal the Geneva Conference. So, here is a man with extra fight expertise and wartime expertise than virtually anyone.
Now, the – when you consider trendy warfare, particularly if you’re counterterrorism, simply as Secretary Rubio was describing earlier in your program, the individuals – how – the way you take care of the enemy and the way you take care of populations is the way you defeat an insurgency. And killing everyone in sight isn’t the way you defeat an insurgency.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As protection secretary, Hegseth fired the highest navy legal professionals who advise on lethality. This is among the recommendation he gave to senior leaders this week.
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PETE HEGSETH, DEFENSE SECRETARY: You kill individuals and break issues for a dwelling.
On this career, you are feeling snug contained in the violence in order that our residents can stay peacefully. Lethality is our calling card and victory our solely acceptable finish state.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you suppose meaning?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Effectively, to begin with, it is not linked to the truth of how these items occur, how wars are received. To start with, the political management has to explain the top state. What’s – what’s it we will do? Why are we sending troops someplace? What are they supposed to perform? And often it is not going to be by killing everyone in sight. So, I feel – I feel there is a disconnect between this concept that it is all about lethality and that we kill individuals and break issues. That is – that is not the mantra of any Military unit I used to be ever in, in 38 years. It was all the time about, accomplish the mission that was assigned to us, perform each lawful order, and do it in such a approach that protects civilians and ensures that each one of our troopers are protected and are available again residence protected. This concept of break issues and kill individuals, you already know, that is what the Russians did in Bucha and Mariupol. That is not who we’re. We are the troopers of a free, democratic nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president additionally spoke at that gathering. He referred to “the enemy inside.” He additionally spoke about utilizing “U.S. cities, like Chicago, as coaching grounds.” Are – are you snug with individuals pondering that?
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: Effectively, look, I feel, to begin with, U.S. navy – our fellow residents needs to be assured that the U.S. navy will all the time perform lawful orders. And so it is alarming when the entire Decide Advocate Basic, or the Military – or the navy legal professionals are sacked, are despatched away as a result of commanders do have to have authorized counsel as they obtain orders they usually take a look at these complicated conditions. However our – our troops will perform lawful orders.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. Thanks.
LIEUTENANT GENERAL BEN HODGES: I assure you that no soldier needs to have to make use of pressure towards American individuals.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Lieutenant Basic, thanks in your insights. We’ve to depart it there.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Till subsequent week, for “FACE THE NATION,” I am Margaret Brennan.
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